Pointing to the horizon the place the ocean and sky are joined, he says, ‘It’s only an phantasm as a result of they can not actually meet, however is not it lovely, this union which is not actually there.’ – SAADAT HASAN MANTO Someday in 2016, a sequence of dialogues happened which got down to discover a assembly floor, even when solely an phantasm, between A.S. Dulat and Asad Durrani. One was a former chief of RAW, India’s exterior intelligence company, the opposite of ISI, its Pakistani counterpart. As they might not meet of their residence international locations, the conversations, guided by journalist Aditya Sinha, happened in cities like Istanbul, Bangkok and Kathmandu. On the desk had been topics which have lengthy haunted South Asia, flashpoints that take lives usually. It was in all methods a deep dive into the politics of the subcontinent, as seen by means of the eyes of two spymasters. Among the many topics: Kashmir, and a missed alternative for peace; Hafiz Saeed and 26/11; Kulbhushan Jadhav; surgical strikes; the deal for Osama bin Laden; how the US and Russia characteristic within the India-Pakistan relationship; and the way terror undermines the 2 international locations’ makes an attempt at talks. When the venture was first mooted, Common Durrani laughed and mentioned no person would consider it even when it was written as fiction. At a time of fraught relations, this unlikely dialogue between two former spy chiefs from reverse sides-a venture that’s the first of its kind-may nicely present some solutions.